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00:01 Our third question is from Astrid我们的第三个问题是艾斯翠的
00:05 She has a question which is difficult , particularly她有一个难题，
00:08 for those of us who love people who尤其对于我们，发现所爱的人
00:11 sometimes find life a little bit painful. Astrid? 有时感到生活真有点痛苦。艾斯翠？
00:14 I have a friend with whom I talk occasionally我有个朋友，偶尔会和他在电话里聊天
00:16 on the phone ,and each time ,he expresses to me每次他都对我说，
00: 20 that he’s so tired , he doesn’t know他太累了，他不知道
00:22 –if he can carry on.自己能否撑下去。
00:23 He has mentioned suicide .他提到了自杀。
00:25 I just wondered what did Meher Baba about suicide ?我就想知道，美赫巴巴对自杀怎么说？
00:30 Suicide ? Of course , suicide Baba has said that 自杀？当然，美赫巴巴说过。
00:33 it is a very bad thing and one should not commit it.那是一件很糟糕的事，一个人不应该去做。
00:37 Actually , what happens – these births and deaths-这些生生死死——实际上发生了什么？
00:41 though births and deaths are illusory , they are in the dream .尽管生死是虚幻的，是在梦中。
00:46 We just see the long dream .我们只是看见了漫长的梦。
00:48 So in the long dream of course ,在这漫长的梦中，
00:51 we pass through births and deaths .自然我们经历了生生死死。
00:54 So births and deaths ,they are illusory.所以，生生死死，它们皆为虚幻。
00:56 They have no meaning .它们没有意义。
00:59 But illusion also necessary to experience God.但为了体验神，幻相也是必要的。
01:04 When you want to experience light ,当你想体验光明，
01:07 necessarily you have to experience darkness .你就有必要得去体验黑暗。
01:10 Then only can you experience the light.那时你才能体验光明。
01:13 So births and deaths are like this.所以生死就象这样。
01:15 They are all false , in the dream.它们全是虚假的，是在梦中。
01:17 That is why it is said in the Koran and the Bible那就是古兰经和圣经说
01:22 that births and deaths are not there.生死并不存在的原因。
01:26 They are not there!它们确实不存在！
01: 28 Actually , they are not there ,实际上，它们不存在，
01:29 But if the are there , they are in the dream.但如果有，它们是在梦中。
01:32 The dream is false , so they are also false .梦是假的，所以它们也是假的。
01:35 So suicide , what happens ？因此自杀时，发生了什么？
01:37 Just like now , someone has a span of life of eighty years .正如现在，某人本该有80岁寿命。
01:44 And in forty years , he commits suicide.而40岁时，他自杀了。
01:48 So forty years of impressions are there.因此还剩下40年业相。
01:51 Our life is nothing but the mold of past impressions .我们的生活只不过是过去业相的塑造。
01:55 Impressions of a past life .过去生的业相。
01:58 So those impressions we are spending .我们正在消耗那些业相。
02:01 Because of this span of life , eighty years ,因为那人有80岁寿命，
02:05 that man ,if he commits suicide in forty years,假如他40岁时自杀了，
02:09 forty years of impressions remain there .还剩下40年的业相。
02:12 And for that purpose, he cannot go to Hell.由于那样，他无法去地狱。
02:16 Even to Hell he cannot go ,because 连地狱他都去不了，
02:19 the doors of Hell are closed for him.因为地狱之门向他关闭。
02:22 So how to spend those impressions ?那如何消耗那些业相？
02:25 Forty years of impressions ? 40年的业相。
02:27 Of course ,the body is not there .当然，身体不在了。
02:31 So then he finds the suitable medium to spend them .于是他寻找合适的媒介来消耗它们。
02:34 Just like now, he has to 就象现在，
02:36 Spend the impressions of smoking .他不得不消耗吸烟的业相。
02:40 So he has to find out .因此他必须寻找。
02:42 Suppose someone is smoking .假设某人正在吸烟。
02:45 So he enters into his body ,and 他就进入他的身体，
02:48 spends those impressions of smoking .消耗那些吸烟的业相。
02.51 Foe each impression , 对每一种业相，
02:53 he has to find a different medium,他都得找到一个不同的媒介，
02:57 a suitable medium for that purpose .一个合适的媒介达到该目的。
03:00 It takes ages and ages and ages.这要花许多世纪。
03:03 And after he spends those forty years impressions , 在他消耗完那40年业相之后，
03:08 then ,of course , the doors of Hell open .那时，自然，地狱之门开了。
03:12 Hell opens for him.地狱向他打开了。
03:14 So this is a very bad thing one should not commit.所以这是一件很糟糕的事，不应该做。
03:19 And the only help you can render 而你能提供的唯一帮助
03:23 is just to pray to God for him , Pray to God.就是为他向神祈祷，向神祈祷。
03:29 When Baba was physically present , of course,当巴巴在肉身时，自然地，
03:33 at that time , ghosts would come to Him.那时候，鬼魂会去他那里。
03:36 I was keeping night watch,我一直负责守夜，
03:39 And when Baba would get up,当巴巴起床时，
03:41 Baba would say close this door of His room ,巴巴会说，把他房间的这扇门关上，
03:44 open this door and close that door.把这扇门打开，把那扇门关上。
03:50 Every day , I would do that .每天我都会那样做。
03:53 But then ,what would l find ?但接着，我发现了什么？
03:55 When I would go in the morning after watch ,当我守夜后早上离开时，
03:59 I would see that the door of that room was closed .我会看见那个房间的门关着。
04:06 It was not open . I thought I had forgotten .它没有打开。我想我忘了。
04:09 I must remember .我得记住。
04:11 So the next day ,I was very , very particular .所以第二天，我非常细心。
04:14 I opened that door .我把那扇门打开。
04:16 And in the morning , when I went ,again it was closed.而在早上，我走的时候，它又是关着。
04:21 So then I said , “I forget .”于是我说，“我忘了。”
04:24 So I would write it down: ”At this time,所以我会把它写下来：“这次，
04:26 I opened the door , and at this time I closed that door .”我开了这扇门，这次我关了那扇门。”
04:30 But in the morning ,when I would go there ,可在早上，我要走的时候
04:33 again the door was closed !门还是关着！
04:35 Then I told Baba,然后我告诉了巴巴，
04:37 “Baba this happens… I remember this .“巴巴，发生了这事儿…我记住的。
04:40 I wrote it down ,and still it happened .”我还写下来，仍发生了。”
04:42 Baba said , “Don’t worry .巴巴说，“别担心。别担心。
04:45 Don’t worry . He’s someone who comes to Me for release .是有人来我这里寻求释放。
04:49 So don’t worry .”所以别担心。”
04:51 They are there .They don’t do any harm .他们在那里。他们不会伤害人。
04:56 You should not feel worried about that .你不应该为它担心。
04:58 The only thing is that they want 唯一的事就是，他们想要
05:00 to spend their impressions .消耗他们的业相。
05:03 People feel very much scared .人们感到很害怕。
05:07 It happens.难免如此。
05:09 So this suicide case is very bad .所以这种自杀的情况很糟糕。
05:12 Very bad .One should not do it . 很糟糕。一个人不应该那样做。
05:15 One should not . 不应该。
05:17 Because then one takes ages and ages因为那时，即使去地狱
05:20 even to go to Hell. 他也需要许多世纪。
05:23 It takes ages . 需要数世纪。
05:26 Thank you , Bhau .谢谢您，宝。
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发表于 2012-1-12 10:04:10